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Q: Identify the fallacy in this argument:
"Proposition [x] is not a tax increase.  [If passed the measure will] issue $xx million in state bonds."

Date: 2006-05-16 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] albionwood.livejournal.com
Hah! I see we have been reading the same pamphlets lately. That one jumped out at me, too. But as I think about it... It's not really fallacious, is it? A bond issue does not raise taxes, now or later, in merely increases debt. One might assume that a tax increase may eventually result, but one could equally assume that economic growth will cover the debt (the usual excuse), or that the State will eventually default, or something else.

Where I have a stronger objection is the claim that "Proposition [xyz]will not raise taxes." To me that is a different and less defensible claim.

Date: 2006-05-16 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madbaker.livejournal.com
Absolutely true. However, one might equally truthfully say "This 100% increase in spending is not a tax hike." No, it's an increase in spending.

But based on historical patterns, debt and/or spending increases lead to tax increases. The money has to be paid back eventually, after all, and forecasting increased economic growth is a mug's game.

Date: 2006-05-16 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] albionwood.livejournal.com
"A mug's game" - that's a new one to me!

Californians financed a lot of the recent economic growth with home equity loans; gonna be hard to convince people the State can't do the same thing. The arguments against debt financing just don't resonate with people any more, since our entire economy runs on it. Even the so-called conservatives running the Federal gummint have completely given up on the idea of fiscal responsibility; that whole concept is just so September 10, y'know?

The long-term view of the US economy looks increasingly gloomy.

Date: 2006-05-16 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madbaker.livejournal.com
Saith the OED:
"mug's game, a thankless task; a useless, foolish, or unprofitable activity. colloq.
1910 Belloc Pongo xv. 233 One cannot arrest millionaires with impunity... Even in a wild democracy to arrest them is Mug's game. 1918 Flying 12 June 427/2 Flying's a mug's game, mater, A fact I know full well. 1930 G. B. Shaw Apple Cart ii. 77, I am going out of politics. Politics is a mug's game."


It derives from "mug 1. a. A stupid or incompetent person, a 'muff', 'duffer'; a fool, simpleton; a card-sharper's dupe. slang."

I love having access to the OED.

Date: 2006-05-16 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] albionwood.livejournal.com
The money has to be paid back eventually

NIMTO.

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